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    Cop needs to go now. This is thoroughly disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice Chalmers View Post
    Horrifying.

    It's also what non-white and poor people deal with on a regular basis. I wonder what it will take for this country as a whole to recognize that we have a problem with law enforcement.
    And Joe Arpaio's pardon just makes it all the worse, and makes cleaning it up more complicated and difficult. This incident occurred before the Arpaio pardon, but it highlights the problem of pardoning law enforcement who have no interest in upholding the constitution. It is unconstitutional for police to get a blood sample without a warrant or consent. They had neither. The arrest was clearly unlawful as well.

    A problem exposed here is that the police knew they were wrong because they acknowledge that they had no probable cause and pushed the issue any way. They know they had absolutely no grounds to arrest the nurse and did so anyway. In fact, the LT told the policeman to arrest her for not allowing him to draw the sample knowing she would not allow him to draw it because there was no grounds for the blood draw. The whole thing is disgusting abuse of police power and disregard for legal and constitutional norms.

    What's to deter the next police officer from behaving this way? As you can see, there appears to have been little in the way of deterrence pre-Arpaio pardon, now that every law enforcerment officer in the country knows the president is on the side of LEO who disregards constitutional norms, there will surely be significantly less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nam View Post
    And Joe Arpaio's pardon just makes it all the worse, and makes cleaning it up more complicated and difficult. This incident occurred before the Arpaio pardon, but it highlights the problem of pardoning law enforcement who have no interest in upholding the constitution. It is unconstitutional for police to get a blood sample without a warrant or consent. They had neither. The arrest was clearly unlawful as well.

    A problem exposed here is that the police knew they were wrong because they acknowledge that they had no probable cause and pushed the issue any way. They know they had absolutely no grounds to arrest the nurse and did so anyway. In fact, the LT told the policeman to arrest her for not allowing him to draw the sample knowing she would not allow him to draw it because there was no grounds for the blood draw. The whole thing is disgusting abuse of police power and disregard for legal and constitutional norms.

    What's to deter the next police officer from behaving this way? As you can see, there appears to have been little in the way of deterrence pre-Arpaio pardon, now that every law enforcerment officer in the country knows the president is on the side of LEO who disregards constitutional norms, there will surely be significantly less.
    Probably nothing at this point, if Trump is telling cops across the nation how they can do their jobs. Told them to be more forceful, not use their free hand to protect suspects' heads when putting suspects in the police cars, and making it easier for them to access military weapons. I think most police officers/police forces wouldn't pay that much mind, but there's always one asshole somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TapToTalk View Post
    Cop needs to go now. This is thoroughly disgusting.
    As well as the LT who who ordered the unlawful arrest. And this whole department is suspect when that's the kind of stuff going on up the chain of command. The usual BS excuses for law enforcrement lawless behavior don't work. This is not a life-threatening situation. This isn't some cop who got scared. This isn't a heat of the moment decision. The unlawful arrest was pre-meditated. And the person responsible for the premeditated unlawful arrest was the LT. This ain't the first time this happened with this LT in all likelihood. Amd who did he get the idea from? The whole department needs an extrernal independent investigation. Something is seriously wrong.
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    That second cop that talked to her afterward should be in some deep shit too.

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    All the officers involved should be fired. How do you stand there and let your coworker do that to someone who is doing her job and following hospital policy?



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    We have had an officer threaten arrest because the nurse refused to use an expired blood draw kit that the officer provided. We've had one threaten arrest because the nurse was taking the patient to CT for their head injury and altered mental status. The thing that the officers need to understand is that our duty is to our patients, before anything else. It is the oath we swear to. Whether the patient is the victim or the perpetrator matters not. The delay of care cannot happen to assist the officer in their investigation if that delay of care could cause negative outcomes. It just can't. Our job is to advocate for the patient and standing up for what is right is pretty bad ass, on her part.

    I would also like to add that last year the Supreme Court made a decision that implied consent laws are illegal and violate the 4th amendment.


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    Found on facebook today:

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    If you watched that video of the nurse being arrested for refusing to pull blood from an unconscious victim of a car crash, check this thread out. It gets far, far worse. The levels of corruption and malice are incredible:


    "We're all aware that the cop didn't do this because he's lazy, right? It was essentially part of a cover up. Turns out the patient was the victim of a head on car crash, instigated by a high speed police pursuit against department policy. The other driver--the suspect--died in the crash. So why did the cop want the victim's blood? To find something to disparage the victim and excuse the police from instigating the deadly car chase. This is not really uncommon, relatively speaking. Other cop on video saying no probable cause. It's not that they didn't want to go to effort of getting a warrant, they knew no judge would sign one. Also, the Supreme Court decision holding it unconstitutional to draw blood w/o consent or warrant came down last year. The cop is a trained phlebotomjist in the police blood draw unit. There is *no way* he was unaware of a SCOTUS case that directly controlled his work. So this is incredible in that its actually worse than the video shows--it's criminal abuse of power in at least three ways Oh, and dept reviewed video w/in 12 hrs, did nothing til it went viral. If you think he's just a rogue cop, you're not paying attention. Turns out, victim was off duty Idaho cop. Nurse Wubbels was arrested for protecting an unconscious officer from abuse by another officer."

    The truck driver/off duty police officer's PD Dept in Rigby Idaho released a statement of support for the nurse - Link

    Press Release 2017-05
    September 1, 2017
    To all outlets

    On July 26th of this year, one of our reserve officers, William Gray was the victim in a horrific accident in northern Utah while working his full-time job as a truck driver. The suspect in this incident was fleeing from Utah State Highway Patrol, when he crossed into oncoming traffic and collided head on with Gray’s truck, severely injuring Gray, and killing himself. Officer Gray was flown to the University of Utah’s burn unit where he remains under their watchful, professional, and competent care.

    Within the first hours of Officer Gray being admitted into the burn unit, an incident occurred between hospital staff and an officer from an agency in Utah who was assisting with the investigation. The Rigby Police Department was not aware of this incident until August 31st, 2017. The Rigby Police Department would like to thank the nurse involved and hospital staff for standing firm, and protecting Officer Gray’s rights as a patient and victim. Protecting the rights of others is truly a heroic act.

    The Rigby Police Department would also like to acknowledge the hard work of the involved agencies, and trusts that this unfortunate incident will be investigated thoroughly, and appropriate action will be taken.
    It is important to remember that Officer Gray is the victim in this horrible event, and that at no time was he under any suspicion of wrongdoing. As he continues to heal, we would ask that his family be given privacy, respect, and prayers for continued recovery and peace.

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    Detective Douchebag lost his part time job with Gold Cross Ambulance today, for his inappropriate remarks regarding patient transports as heard on the video. Wonder if he'll "retire" from his detective gig now. And by retire, I mean fired.

    On the video, Payne was heard saying that he would bring homeless people to the University of Utah Hospital, where Wubbels worked. “I wonder how this will affect my Gold Cross job?” Payne asks in the footage. Another police officer asks, “Do you work up here?”

    “I bring patients here,” Payne responds. “Yeah, they’re not going to be very happy,” the officer said.

    “I’ll bring them all the transients and take good patients elsewhere,” Payne is then heard saying in the video.

    Payne had worked for Gold Star since 1983.

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    I don't think asshole cop realized what a shitstorm he was starting.

    DA asks FBI to investigate SLCPD officers involved.

    Prosecutors in Utah’s Salt Lake County have asked the FBI to join a criminal probe into the violent arrest of a local nurse who was manhandled by a detective and shoved screaming into a squad car as she tried to protect the legal rights of a patient. In a letter made public Thursday, District Attorney Sim Gill called on FBI agents to investigate whether the arresting officer or anyone else in the chain of command violated nurse Alex Wubbels’s civil rights or broke other laws during the July 26 incident.

    The altercation drew national attention and prompted the hospital to bar police from direct contact with nurses. The Salt Lake City mayor and other officials condemned the arrest, saying Wubbels had done nothing wrong. Multiple investigations are already underway, and Payne and another officer have been placed on administrative leave.

    “In order to be thorough, and given the gravity of the rights potentially implicated, all issues must be completely examined to restore the public trust currently compromised by the actions depicted in the publicly released video recordings of the incident,” Gill wrote. “Our community and its citizens deserve nothing less.”

    An FBI spokeswoman told the Associated Press on Thursday that the agency had joined the county investigation. Salt Lake City police did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

    Gill’s letter specifically mentions Payne and asks the FBI to look into “other police officers and law enforcement personnel and anyone else acting under the color of authority, or failing to act when imposed with a duty to act.” That means the investigation could cover officers from the University of Utah and hospital guards, some of whom could be seen in the video standing by while Payne arrested the nurse.

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